The fact that God gives us [Psalm 88] not only shows us his kindness but also his knowledge – his awareness – that [depression] is one of the many experiences of life in the fallen world. And by doing so, he lets us know that it is not a surprise. We need not be alarmed. The Lord has given us a scenario here, where if we find ourselves experiencing it, we'll know how to cry out to him and learn how to wait for him.
– Zack Eswine
About the Episode
In this premiere episode, Christine interviews author/Pastor Zack Eswine on the topic of depression. During the conversation, Zack shares some of his personal experience with despondency, wise & unwise ways to approach loved ones who are suffering, the blessing of biblical metaphor in providing a language for our sorrows, as well as comfort and clarity from the Scriptures for those walking through the seasons of darkness.
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About the Guest
Zack Eswine (Ph.D.), serves as pastor of Riverside Church, Resident Scholar for the Francis Schaeffer Institute, and Director of Homiletics at Covenant Theological Seminary in Saint Louis, Missouri. Zack’s books include, The Imperfect Pastor, which received Christianity Today’s Book of the Year award 2016, in the category of Church/Pastoral Leadership, and Preaching to a Post-Everything World, recipient of Preaching Today’s Book of the Year Award, 2008.

In addition, Zack’s books, Spurgeon’s Sorrows: Realistic Hope for those who Suffer from Depression, and Recovering Eden: The Gospel According to Ecclesiastes have blessed many Christians and other-than-Christians who have honest questions and real–life wounds that require more than trite answers.

Zack cultivates life in Webster Groves, Missouri with his wife Jessica and four children. Jessica is an attorney studying apologetics through Houston Baptist University. They open their home to ministry leaders both national and international, who need rest, seek apprenticeship in ministry or have questions to sort out. He has served as coordinator for the Clergy Alliance for Racial Equity and has served on the Board for the Alliance for Interracial Dignity and Avenues Counseling. Zack also teaches graduate students in ministry both locally and abroad. For hobbies, Zack enjoys music, film, poetry, Hoosier basketball and Notre Dame Football. For more information visit
Other Helpful Podcast Appearances by Pastor Zack
Pastors Must Be Acquainted with Grief
Collin Hansen and Zack Eswine discuss how Charles Spurgeon was faithful in grief and how suffering with courage shapes a pastor for ministry. A TCG podcast production.
On Our "Inconsolable Things"
Zack compassionately explains how the wisdom literature in Scripture speaks to our life challenges and teaches us to live small and slow. With host, Christine Hoover.
About the Podcast
The Hope + Help Project podcast offers compassionate biblical conversations about life's challenging problems. The purpose of the podcast is to share Christ-centered comfort and clarity for those seeking biblical solutions for the struggles they face. The podcast accomplishes this by offering a mix of interviews with seasoned biblical counseling professionals and ministry leaders on a variety of topics. Hosted by author/writer Christine M. Chappell.
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Christine M. Chappell
Christine is the author of Clean Home, Messy Heart and Help! My Teen is Depressed. She hosts IBCD's Hope + Help Podcast and is passionate about advocating for biblical one-another care and discipleship in the context of the local church. Her writing has been featured at Desiring God, The Gospel Coalition, Risen Motherhood, Servants of Grace, and other Christian platforms. Christine blogs regularly at and lives in South Carolina with her husband and three children.
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